The Dirty Secret Behind Boot Camp “Number Close” Demonstrations

I did play with the idea of adding some material to Debunking the Seduction Community but not only have I for the most part moved on from bashing this industry. I am also quite intimidated by the enormous amount of material I have on various people in this business. Debunking was not necessarily about “guru” A, B or C, but about the industry as a whole, and about general trends and common problems.

 I did not have the intention to slag off some guys. In fact, I really had to restrain myself from not spilling the beans on some people. However, the occasional blog post that surfaced in the meantime did rectify this.

Today, I have something very special for you. It is a “business secret” of one of the many #1 PUAs / dating "gurus" in the world. You can make your own guess, but probably someone will chime in in the comments and reveal it sooner or later anyway. Let’s just call him PUAZiph.



The story goes as follows: Our internationally renowned dating guru PUAZiph needs some money. He always needs money, just like the invisible man in the sky. Thus, he sets up a couple of boot camps in the United States. Because he himself can’t demonstrate all that much, as he doesn’t want to piss off his wife, he enlists some “assistant coaches” from a local lair. He’ll just tell the boot camp students that he’s trained them. It’s also a neat way for him to make more money since those guys are more than happy to “help out” such an esteemed person as PUAZiph free of charge.

This is even worse than VK's "number closes"!

What can you expect during a boot camp? Well, not much, but at least you'll get some decent "demos", like some dude collecting a number in front of you. PUAZiph's students are happy to just see someone talk to a girl in a bar, so they won’t easily get disappointed. However, what they don’t know is that what they are going to witness is not what has actually happened.


The student sees something like this:

The PUA instructor tells the guys, “watch this!”, and walks up to a woman at the bar. After some conversation, they witness him keying his number into her phone and ringing it, and they are all giddy. After all, they haven’t seen such a God among men all their life.

However, this is what really happens:

The PUA knows that he doesn’t do any better than your average schmuck, and if his numbers are a bit higher (but not that much either) it’s merely because he’s always “out in the field” and has a stash of viagra in the car in case he pulls a fattie once again. Therefore, he’d have good reason to be anxious about demonstrating “number closes” in front of eager students.

 Thus, his "game plan" is the following:

1) He's looking for a girl who seems friendly. She may or may not be by herself.

2) He starts a conversation that goes something like this: “Hey! Could I ask you for a favor?” Then he'll tell her a little story about how his phone doesn’t quite seem to work and that he has to reach one of his friends, or want to make sure that his friend can reach him. Hold on, because I am not done yet!

Now you may think that this is an utterly stupid “opener”, but it works for its intended purpose. After all, you only want to get her number, and it doesn’t matter that it was a completely non-sexual interaction. It's a bit like the bastard version of Mystery’s “We’re throwing a big party at our pool this weekend. Can I take your number? You can bring your friends, too.”

To make sure that the PUA can get his “number close”, he then asks the girl whether she could possibly call his number from her phone. Since he wasn't exactly a “sexual threat”, and she just viewed him as some random guy instead of a potential sexual partner, she readily calls your number. He made a friendly request, and she wouldn't even have to bother about "shooting him down" since the interaction is not on that level.

The PUA's phone rings, and he has achieved his objective, namely to demonstrate a “number close”. Now he thanks the girl, and if he's feeling lucky, he may try to make her kiss him on the cheek before heading back to his students. Those, of course, will now hear a story about his awesome opener, and the sexual innuendoes she has made, that he and his "material" are "so money," and that she is “as good as in the bag”. Phrases like "Have you seen this, bro?" are likely to be repeated numerous times.

Some of his students may even fawn and say stuff like, “Wow. Awesome! You are really good. I wish I was as good as you with women.” 
But now you know how this dirty trick works, and you can easily be as good as your favourite #1 PUA in the world. All you need now is some desperate men who want to part from a couple of grand.